WYATT - I needed a 4400 LoProfile. I wanted the High Torque DT466E. International made it better now. It used to be 250HP/800#/ft but for 2004 it's 285HP & 800+#/ft. Nice thing about medium duty trucks You can get ANY axle ratio You want, air ride seats, air ride rear suspension, the NGT's even have extended cabs and crew cabs, vent widows, great ergomonics, tilt front end for great servicability. But the &@!*% thing is about 4 inches too tall to fit in My shop! Anyone looked under the hood of a new 6.0L Powerstroke lately? Can't even see the engine! Isn't it Jim Chabot who uses an S-???? IH as His Cub tow rig? That's where I got the idea. We got a 4300 with a 24 ft van box last winter at work and the driver LOVES the truck compared to the Freight-shaker We had before. It's quiet, doesn't leak, looks nice, turns very sharp, rides Really nice. Driver even takes His breaks in the cab! Only connection to Farmall however is My 1-6/10's shares of International common stock I got from the ESOP when I was at Farmall. I benefit more from selling an International truck than a Ford, Dodge, or Chevy.