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Picked up an 1872 the other day with a bad engine.
PO says he was loaning it to his renter to mow with and it started to run wild than made noise.
Said turning it over by hand you can hear an audible "clink" from inside somewhere.
So far, that's all I know other than it has been sitting a couple years under roof and has flat tires and what looks to be a nice 50" deck. other than PS, no other options from standard.
Says there is a bolt broken ar missing from the rear end and leaks oil.
Will be few weeks before I can get it home, film at eleven....

Any suggestions on a replacement engine would be greatly appreciated.
 
Kohler Command...

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Those bolts breaking off in the rear axle housing is fairly common. There is a brace available to relieve the stress on those bolts. As for that engine it sound like it could have been the governor that let go. I would look into repairing it first. I put a VAnguard twin in a1650 Cub I got with a full blown engine. Had to fab up motor mounts and drive shaft adapters but it went in and runs a lot smoother than those old single Kohlers ever thought of running.
 
Command is the way to go, but costs some money. I have roughly $800 in a Command swap in one of my 782s. My other 782 needs an engine now too so I'm looking for something to stab in it.
 
Question, I'm going to have to winch this Cub onto my trailer after I re-air all the tires.
Are the hydro valves automatic on these machines or is there a release lever/handle
 
Don’t know if it’s the same as my 1450 and this may be a little late push down till flush on the matching pins and it will release
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Thanks Donnie & Matt!
I kinda figured they were seeing as how my 14 and 1650 do.
When I 1st looked at it, a quick scan did not see any means of release if indeed they did need released.
Will probably pick it up next weekend.'
This is going to be a busy week around here!
 
I’m in the same boat I’ve got a 1872 in need of an engine swap I’d be interested in how to fit the command in or the vanguard what do your adaptors look like? Maybe a quick pick of engine mount?
 
Definitely would go with a Command. They are a stout motor and smooth running. I’ve installed several of them over the years into ‘82 series tractors and love the results. If I could pick any specific Command it would be the 23hp version from the 2523 late model Cub. I would also upgrade to a late model driveshaft and get rid of the rag joints. Nice find Dave, you’ll wonder how you got along all these years without one once you have it up and running. Thanks to this forum, I’ve had my 1772 for 10 years this fall and it is by far my favorite all around worker that I’ve ever owned. Just used it on Saturday to remove some small box elder tree/bushes that were unruly in my back wooded area...
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I’m in the same boat I’ve got a 1872 in need of an engine swap I’d be interested in how to fit the command in or the vanguard what do your adaptors look like? Maybe a quick pick of engine mount?

Engine mount is the same as the Magnum. Just have to drill 4 new holes in the engine mounting plate. The crank centerline height is the same as the Magnum.

Here is a fairly detailed account of my Command-swapped 1872. I went a bit overboard with the remote air filter, but it does work well. I'm still experimenting with making the main jet on the carb adjustable, as these run VERY lean from the factory thanks to emissions regs.

1872 Command Swap
 
Engine mount is the same as the Magnum. Just have to drill 4 new holes in the engine mounting plate. The crank centerline height is the same as the Magnum.

Here is a fairly detailed account of my Command-swapped 1872. I went a bit overboard with the remote air filter, but it does work well. I'm still experimenting with making the main jet on the carb adjustable, as these run VERY lean from the factory thanks to emissions regs.

1872 Command Swap
Thank you!
 
WWE are on track to bring it home this weekend.
PO says he even gave it a wash job!!
Will see what's wrong with it before making any rash decisions.

Meanwhile, I gotta go haul some cement today,'We are feeding 3 separate paving projects this week, keeping the batch plants full of powder. looong days for sure!
 
I see recommendations for Kohler Commands and Vanguards but not Honda. The folks at repowerspecialists.com who sell all makes at similar margins recommend the Honda GX690 when looking for reliability and longevity. According to them the Honda is made to operate at higher temps and in hot climates it is tough to keep the Command or Vanguard cool enough. I asked about Honda's reputation of not being what they used to be. The response was that it's true for the consumer line of Hondas, but the commercial Hondas are still the best thing out there in a gas engine. They pointed out the advantage of the Command's hydraulic lifters but believed love for the Kohlers was based on having other Kohlers in the fleet and/or keeping things made in the USA more than reliability and longevity. So since the OP was asking for engine recommendations, I was wondering about the "whys" behind your recommendations and wondered if any Honda Guys could chime in with good or bad experiences.
 
I see recommendations for Kohler Commands and Vanguards but not Honda. The folks at repowerspecialists.com who sell all makes at similar margins recommend the Honda GX690 when looking for reliability and longevity. According to them the Honda is made to operate at higher temps and in hot climates it is tough to keep the Command or Vanguard cool enough. I asked about Honda's reputation of not being what they used to be. The response was that it's true for the consumer line of Hondas, but the commercial Hondas are still the best thing out there in a gas engine. They pointed out the advantage of the Command's hydraulic lifters but believed love for the Kohlers was based on having other Kohlers in the fleet and/or keeping things made in the USA more than reliability and longevity. So since the OP was asking for engine recommendations, I was wondering about the "whys" behind your recommendations and wondered if any Honda Guys could chime in with good or bad experiences.

Coworker of mine has a Honda in his 2082. It ran hot out of the box. I've also read that about Honda conversions from the JD guys. Good thing it's made to operate at higher temps :)

Not sure if this was specific to my coworker's engine, but the grass screen was attached to the flywheel shroud and not the flywheel, so it clogged with grass easily. He added an extra fan to the front end of the driveshaft to stir things up a bit and keep the grass from sticking. The design of the air cleaner assembly (not sure if this is still true on the most current version of those engines) draws in hot air in a Cub Cadet type installation. Oil cooler design and placement is not effective. I think he also said the pipe thread fitting for oil pressure sender is BSP instead of NPT. 2-barrel carb is finicky, difficult to clean, and parts are expensive. He finally got it to stay cool and run well, and now likes it, but it was absolutely not a drop-in installation to get it there.

I put exhaust gas temp (EGT) probes on the Command on my 1872 after my conversion, modified a spare carb to be adjustable, and after some experimentation, found that the factory mixture setting is just barely richer than the mixture that corresponds to peak EGT. I rejetted the carb and got the EGT to decrease 100 degrees. This should do wonders for performance and longevity. I honestly doubt a Vanguard or Honda would be any different, as all have to comply with the same emissions regs that drove the manufacturers to this stupidly lean mixture.

I added an oil cooler (bolt on from a larger Command, and much better design than the Honda one, IMO) and a duct to get the air from it moving out the front, and it runs nice and cool. It will hold 32 psi oil pressure while mowing in 95-degree weather.

The Command engine has Japanese roots if I recall, so the "made in USA over reliability" just sounds like some competitor's sales smoke and mirrors to me.

Any of these modern V-twins will require better sealing of the firewall in an enclosed installation so that they only draw in fresh, cool air for induction and cooling. I think most people have overheating issues with repowers because they don't address this issue.
 

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