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balbrecht

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Kraig M,
Let me check my body parts tub on Saturday. I know I have new ones, I think I may have at least one old one also that I may use as a test spring.

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David Schwandt
Lew, That's the way they were on the tractor when I got it.

I have some spray on plasti-dip to recover the clips with. I peeled/scraped the old stuff off, chucked them and the recessed head bolts in vinegar over-nite and wire brushed them to look new.
 
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Harry Bursell
David S - you've got the clips mounted correct on the shroud for your 14hp K321A. (I think Lew was trying to screw you up, but they may get mounted the other way on the smaller hp engines).

Question for all - since Charlie has stated above "There's NO such thing as a stupid question!" I guess I may have one as follows:

Ed asked about a 10 tooth and 13 tooth starter for his 1650. Charlie noted there doesn't seem to be a production serial number breakdown in the parts lookup or anyplace else. I just checked the parts look-up for the flywheel ring-gear and it's only showing 1 part number - so I assume there is only 1 style ring-gear.

So my question is: If you replace the complete starter does it make any difference if you get a 10 or 13 tooth?
 

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Harry,

I’m not 100% sure, but I don’t think it does. On the old Ford IDI diesels, there are 3 or 4 different starters than fit and work, but they don’t all have the same tooth count.

The reasoning I’ve been told is it has to do with the gear ratio in the starter, and the ratio between the starter and the flywheel. The diameter of the gear on the starter comes into play also.

If there is only one flywheel, then I’d bet the difference is in the diameter of the bendix gear.......

I’ve not checked this personally, but this is my best, slightly educated guess.
 

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That'll work David. I like that stuff the guy who cuts the boat in half and uses that flexseal, He reminds of the Pillsbury dough boy.
Harry,
Look in the service manual for the 86-169, shows pictures in it.
I have lost count how many I have seen this way, but I think it is because the coil is mounted higher.

Picked this up a while back.

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David S/Lew/Harry/Lewis,

As Harry mentioned, David has the clips mounted correctly (pointing down) for his 149. The 1X8/9 Series engines had the clips pointed down for the coil lead wire. Narrow frame models where the gas tank was mounted directly to the engine using the same two attach bolts have the clips pointed up. I believe they were pointing up primarily to provided clearance for half cylinder shield that was mounted to the frame between the engine and steering pedestal tower. This shield was solid are early narrow frame models (70/100 and 1X2/3) and perforated on later ones (1X4/5, 1X6/7). The shield covers the clutch/drive shaft for safety and secondarily helped deflect grass clippings and debris from getting sucked into the engine flywheel screen.
 

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Here it is in the manual.
I guess it may be a friday monday thing.
We should have a poll, up or down?

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David Schwandt
Either way, the darn wire will still rub on the shroud. And then there's the issue with the short throttle cable that's even worse.
 

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Here's the clips on an engine shroud from a parts 149 that I have.

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Harry Bursell
Scott N - sounds like a reasonably educated explanation of what it could be and why 10 or 13 tooth doesn't make a difference if you replace the entire starter.

Kraig - would you mind getting out your air-brush and changing Lew's service manual pic so those clips are right side up instead of left side down. We all know the IH Air Brush personnel often took liberties with minor details.
 
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Harry Bursell
Kraig - ya that helps.

Hey, I'm wondering. That pic Lew posted from the Service Manual says it's a CC 128. Did the 12hp engines in the 128 have that type of grass screen on the flywheel or did they have the flat disc type (that were used on 14 and 16hp engines)?
 

lpalma

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Harry,
I am gonna get your tail light inquiries going again.....

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These have REFLECT-O-LITE 378-SAE-P2-A-75
 

jstorma

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Never knew those 7388,7588, and 7788's existed.
 

dfrisk

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Charlie - That 7588 is joining the 7388 and 7788 in Minot, ND, all serial # 501's. TOTAL COST of the three not including transportation, $386,707

About what the 7788 would have sold for new.

There's serial number 502's around too. They only ever built two of each.
 

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Lewis I have new in package tail lights Number IH-545616-R2. Parts lookup gives IH-545616-R1 for my 169 and 149. What is the difference in R1 and R2?
 

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Luther,
The number 1.

I have the R2 and there is no wire, and they are Bargman not Reflectolite.
 
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