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Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Harry Bursell (Hydroharry) on Wednesday, July 27, 2016 - 02:21 am:

Wayne - I hate to disagree with you but my post wasn't meant to be Hydro BS. I was really trying to understand your question. So here goes with a question for you - what do you call that rectangular metal plate just to the right of the carb? It's got a sort of half moon bump on it with a hole, and it's held in place with a nut.

I'm pretty certain David understood what the metal washer is on the QL air cleaner base, and he's seen the base cracked when it's missing.

Wayne - if you could get us a couple pics it sure would help.

To bad about the 3-pin clutch driver. I'm pretty certain you can convert it to the older style without any problem and it'll have the usual long long life.

And about the muffler, I'm hoping that aluminum or white metal backing plate or "duct" as Kohler calls it (it's really the back of the muffler box), is not all cracked up. They are expensive and hard to find (Charlie might have one). Usually many of the bolt holes are stripped and it's hard to keep the muffler box from rattling. I also recommend you check David Kirk's website for the "muffler crutch" to help support the muffler and save the duct and box.

John - I'm pretty certain you're right about IH having the say with Kohler about how they wanted their engines set up. It's coded into the Spec No. I've seen Spec No. Cross Reference charts that call out who that Spec No. model is actually for. I'm certain IH could have said supply ours with the cast iron oil pan and it would have been. But I believe the mounting bolt and stripped threads issue wasn't realized for quite some time. The ISO-mounts really do last a long long time from new so I'll bet the whole problem didn't even show up until after end of the QL production.


Hydro Harry
Old Cubs Never Die
(but may have a component failure)
Kraig says I'm absolutely correct


Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy John C. Lazar (Jclazar) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 11:53 pm:

Hydro, Thanks for the corrections. Along with the fly wheel improvement, came the use of a "firewall", designed to keep the large fuel tank's content cooler while flowing into the carb. With David's conformation, we end up with a great operating IH Cub Cadet Quiet line. Furthermore,I always had thought, or assumed to be under the impression, that, IH had the say to Kohler as to how IH wanted their engines to be set up. Keeping the proven cast iron oil pans, that are stronger, and should have cost less than the aluminum oil pans should have made more sense. What's the difference to finish out the garden tractor's proven history for this last series production run before the "all-new" 82 Series???? So, long story short,... I thought of improvements to the Quiet line from top to bottom, in general, would ultimately have resulted in a better set up for this model.

But, that's why I hang around, and like it here, you know?

On another note, I'm not so sure having IH wheel weights on my 1450 for my better half is such a good idea. She's never operated a garden tractor, or a tractor in her life. She's city girl turned country girl! Hearing weird noises now from the "rear-end" of my 1450. Almost like a stone,.... perhaps,.... inside the right axle carrier. It's just too much to have two tractors down in my shop right now. The 1450 is gonna have to wait closer to snow clearing season.


IH Cub Cadet tractors aren't built to a price, but to a standard.....we work constantly to improve them without changing their basic proven design.

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Doug Anderson (Danderson) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 09:14 pm:

According to Parts Tree the KH-47-049-01 gasket fits the Quiet Line, 1050, 1204, 1210, 1282, 1211, and 680 tractors. It's also about $15.00.


If you don't have the time to do it right where will you find the time to do it over.

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Wayne Shytle (Wshytle) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 08:26 pm:

Harry-

Breather, air cleaner....potato, topato. I've heard the "air cleaner" refered to as the air breather or short, breather all of my life. You're just trying to throw in some of that Hydro BS now. Well excuuuuuuse me!

The spacer I am talking about looks like a big, thick washer with the 3 hole pattern. I've dealt with many QLs and have never seen one tacked in place...they've always been loose and installed between the "air cleaner" and the carb. I'm assuming from what David K. said that maybe they are there for spacing or support or something of the like. Maybe they weren't installed on all QL models either...I don't know hence the question.

I came across a nicely broken 3 pin clutch driver today. This 1200 was only hours away from a major breakdown. I also found the muffler was being held by the end bracket and bolt. It was just barely hanging on the exhaust nipple and slipped right off, clamp and all once I removed the bracket bolt. It seems there will be a lot of good news, bad news in our next conversation.

.

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Chris,




I treat everyone equal until they start doing something they shouldn't!

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Harry Bursell (Hydroharry) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 06:54 pm:

David - ya, so you've seen it as well. The question now - is this what Wayne was referring to?


Hydro Harry
Old Cubs Never Die
(but may have a component failure)
Kraig says I'm absolutely correct


Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy David Schwandt (Dschwandt) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 05:26 pm:

That plate on the QL air cleaners is a reinforcement is all. Some times they are missing and the a/c body is cracked.

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Joshua S. I like the re-sized picture.


We are only as smart as the politicians we elect to office.

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy CHRIS PHIPPS (Cphipps) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 04:03 pm:

Thanks to all for your input. I will let you know what I see when I get it apart. Got to finish my son's original axle bushings & seals first.

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Harry Bursell (Hydroharry) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 03:26 pm:

John - I wasn't trying to imply the Kohler AQS engine flywheel doesn't provide improved air flow. I had started to say "forced air flow" and changed it because I didn't want anyone to think the AQS was some type of turbo or super charged engine.

Now, you also go on to mix up a Kohler engine improvement with the IH tractor improvements. Since I didn't ever get into the 82 series I'm not quite following your info. I do know the 82 series continued with side panel enclosures which started with the QL series. Most 82 series used twin cylinder engines and I don't know how the air flow was set up. I know later on CCC used a single cylinder Kohler again in some models (think 1282) but I don't know if that was an AQS style Kohler K or if the Magnum was in place at that time or even how the air flow was set up on a Magnum single.

David Kirk - boy am I glad you chimed in. Always great to hear from an extremely knowledgeable well qualified expert. Thanks for providing that info. Looks like Jerry wins the T-shirt and Hat prize (pics only), while Lew, John and others come in 2nd place (some might call last place).

Jason - well now it looks like the "thick carb gasket" issue is settled. As you can see David Kirk chimed in with some very good definitive info. And speaking of David Kirk, if you haven't yet visited his web site suggest you do. He's a sponsor and linked at the colorful boxes at the top of the pages under Kirk Engines.

Wayne - I'm scratching my head a little based on your last question. You said: "What is with the large round metal spacer between the breather and the carb on QLs?". I've been thinking and thinking, and finally decided you must mean "air cleaner" instead of breather.

If you mean air cleaner I think what you discovered is the thick metal spacer (about 1/16") that's supposed to be tack welded onto the air cleaner where it mounts to the carb. I've seen a lot of these where the tacks have come loose and someone moves it to the inside of the air cleaner - so the air cleaner itself gets squished against the carb and the metal plate backs it up. I think technically there is still supposed to be a paper gasket between the carb and the air cleaner to provide a loose seal.
You know pics are always worth 1000 words. If what I'm describing isn't what you were referring to then pics would really help.

Bill - geez I'm glad to hear you've got the correct original rubber brake pedal foot pad. Any chance you could get another pic that might help us clearly see there is no cutout? Hey wouldn't it be neat if Charlie actually had the original no-cutout replacements?


Hydro Harry
Old Cubs Never Die
(but may have a component failure)
Kraig says I'm absolutely correct


Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Earl LaMott (Elamott) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 01:52 pm:

Chris:
I had the same problem with my pulley flopping around and tried to use a longer key because the slot in the crank was also damaged. I had tried a longer key and replaced the pulley twice before, so I knew this is not working. I did not want to replace the crank so I purchased a longer key (again) and I spot welded the key in place. I then ground down the excess material so the new pulley would fit. I only put in two small spot welds close to the end, so if I had to remove it I could grind off the spot weld and still remove the key.
I am thinking that this should work as the key is now solid. If not I will try something else.
Earl

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy David Kirk (Dkirk) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 12:55 pm:

Just have to chime in on the "thick" carburetor gasket issue - this part is known as a thermal isolator. It functions as an insulator to the carburetor body, hindering heat transfer, thereby inhibiting vapor lock in hot weather. The slight additional length added to the inlet tract has no effect on performance.


Muglety Wump-Muglety Wump...Glackus-Glackus!

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Wayne Shytle (Wshytle) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 12:49 pm:

Since we're talking about the carb gasket and spacing I have another question.

What is with the large round metal spacer between the breather and the carb on QLs? I've seen them on some but not all. The 1200 I'm working on didn't have it but it had a round paper gasket.

.

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Bill Rhodes (Brhodes) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 12:17 pm:

Hydro,

Don't know what I was thinking.

Mine is as it should be, no cutout. I had to go back and read the prior postings. I was thinking the 107 had the same as the 109.

I think I read it right, but remember it wrong.



Even I have to wonder about my posts sometimes.




Bill

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Jason Wiggins (Jwiggins) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 11:23 am:

Panther Nic -






I'm not going no where's near that "other" green you mentioned,








I'm not so worried that my hydro lift handle is bent as I am that I didn't know it was bent.

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy John C. Lazar (Jclazar) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 11:01 am:

Anyone wake up on the "defrauded" side of the bed this morning? Nothing changes,.......

Hydro Harry, The flywheel on a Quiet Line sure does throw out some good air circulation! This was one of the many improvements over the past model line up. Had IH got the QL engine cradle "right" the first time, ( cradle mod, cast iron deep sump oil pan), perhaps the design would have carried over to the 82 Series?

Just like to comment on the wonderful and informative information on the 82 Series.


IH Cub Cadet tractors aren't built to a price, but to a standard.....we work constantly to improve them without changing their basic proven design.

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Nic Bextermueller (Nbextermueller) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 11:00 am:

Jason Wiggens,

I'm confused by your comment:

"Great big IH GREEN thumbs up!"

That's the second time you've mentioned Green here and the last one got poofed.

You do realize that IH Cubs are Yellow and White and sometimes Red... Right?


2016 season is underway!! Visit www.pantherpulling.com for more info!

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Harry Bursell (Hydroharry) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 10:19 am:

Lew, John, Jerry - if you add up all the things you each mention it does begin to make sense and very likely the reason for the thick gasket. I recall now how the QL (actually the Kohler "AQS") air cleaner was recessed at the back and partially fit over the carb (basically covered it up). This certainly doesn't allow for much air flow around the carb itself - but on the other hand the air cleaner had that rubber tube connecting it to a hole in the flywheel shroud forcing air, oops, allowing fan air to be blown into the carb, which should provide some cooling effect. However, I suspect it's not as cool as the old style exposed carbs - and maybe, just maybe, the gasket spacer kept the gas from boiling (credit to Jerry). So all of you get some credit here for why the gasket is thick. The question I still have tho is - what effect it has on engine performance, and would it actually improve performance on the older style exposed carbs?

Bill - I'm not sure I understand what you're saying about the brake pedal rubber pad on your 107. Does it have the cutout? It doesn't need it because of the spacer build up under the flat metal plate. And even if the metal plate was flat against the bent steel arm, the cutout would not be wide enough. Your bent steel arm has the twist at the right angle so the cutout in the pad would have to be the width of the steel. If you have the cutout in your pad it must have been replaced with the newer version (be on the look out for the Correct Police). If you don't have the cutout try and get us a pic of the side next to the tractor frame as best your can. I know you're a contortionist.

Someone out there must have a 1x6/7 with the rubber pad that does not have the cutout. Don't go peeling yours off to see but get us a pic if you can of the side towards the tractor frame. (If you peel your pad off chances are the rubber will tear and you'll need a new pad - and they ain't got'm withOUT the cutout - unless as Steve says, someone has the truck pads around).


Hydro Harry
Old Cubs Never Die
(but may have a component failure)
Kraig says I'm absolutely correct


Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Steve Shaff (Sshaff) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 10:02 am:

Josh S -- What a great pic! Thanks for sharing :-)

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Lewis Palma (Lpalma) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 09:26 am:

Looking good Josh and Judge,you seem to have a lot of grass to cut.

Jason,I past the 300th mark a few months ago.Thanks!

Hairy Harry,I had a Jacobson that had a K341 in it,the same motor as a QL.had the same muffler shields and air cleaner and it had the carb spacer also,sometimes you gotta think outside the box,not sure if it is the right answer but it is sumptin' to think about.


Don't ask don't tell policy...Never tell em how much you paid...

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Jason Wiggins (Jwiggins) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 08:58 am:

Josh S -

Hey that pic is truly a moment captured in time. It reminds me of a pic my wife snapped of my son when he was about 3 years old walking on the beach holding my dad's hand. Back then we had to wait for film to be developed but when we saw it for the first time it was a special moment for us, very similar to your Super SUPER CooL pic

Anyway momma had my son/dad pic blown up to an 8x10 and bought a Slightly oversized frame and added a border w/ caption, "a walk to remember". At the time we lived in a small village and when the yearly town festival rolled around she entered it in the "ART" contest and the framed photo won first place! Photography is considered by many a form of art work and I'd say the moment you captured is not only priceless but also a Blue Ribbon Winner!!!!!

Very Excellent Pic,,,,

Thanks Kraig for making that larger for us old timers!



I'm not so worried that my hydro lift handle is bent as I am that I didn't know it was bent.

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy jeff l baker (Jbaker) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 08:50 am:

By Bill James (Bjames) on Monday, July 25, 2016 - 06:56 pm:

"I just want to see the facts correct.
You couldn't pay me to take over this forum, who would buy it?"



I would if I had any money but I don't ,,At least Charlie keeps us going

IMHO your comment was rude


Cub Cadet hydros are the cats meow,,Why own anything else,

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Bill Rhodes (Brhodes) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 08:36 am:

Joshua,

You may need to change you picture in your Profile




Bill

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Jerry Harvey "Nines are wild" (Jharvey) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 08:19 am:

Harry
I thought the thick gasket between carb and block was to keep the gas from boiling in the carb bowl and causing vapor lock on QLs. I have no written proof of that though. Maybe someone will chime in yet.


You can never have too many 149's around!

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy joshua donald stertz (Jstertz) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 08:10 am:

Thanks Kraig!


Bit Hard by the "Cub Bug"
Josh Stertz


Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Bill Rhodes (Brhodes) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 07:26 am:

Joshua,

Well said.


Bill

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy David C. Quillen (Dquillen) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 07:25 am:

Chris, I bought a 124 with the pulley flopping around (crankshaft was ok) & here's what I did to tighten it up. Bought 2 of those way overpriced 2-piece locking collars, 1/2" thick w/1" bore & 1/4" keyway. Locked one down @ back of the crank w/ 2" or so of key stock. Put pulley on & then 2nd collar, all on the same key stock. Place a large socket over the crankshaft & use a pry bar to force everything back & tight together while tightening the outer locking collar. Works great! Oh, forgot to mention....I don't use the pto so it's removed. This fix probably won't work with one....I don't know.

David

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Kraig McConaughey "Keeper of the Photos" (Kmcconaughey) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 07:24 am:

Chris P., regarding the starter pulley, unfortunately, more than likely the crank shaft is going to be damaged as well. if you're lucky you might be able to get away with a longer piece of keystock. Here's a link to some discussion on dealing with a damaged crank key slot.


Charlie says I'm an INSTIGATOR.

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Kraig McConaughey "Keeper of the Photos" (Kmcconaughey) on Tuesday, July 26, 2016 - 07:16 am:

Here's a bigger version of Joshua's photo:

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Charlie says I'm an INSTIGATOR.

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