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Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Paul W.Roessler (Proessler) on Sunday, March 03, 2013 - 04:24 pm:

Thanks Jeff, Is Charlie out there, Still ? I am a Slow learner... I gave it 24 hours 'til I returned... PWR


882 Diesel...PWR

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Paul R.
Ya know, I've got more to do today than edit all your pic post!


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Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Paul W.Roessler (Proessler) on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 03:02 pm:

More practice...
Hit the dang ENTER BUTTON!!!!
tes t3...
Wrong place


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Paul,,,, nice,,looking good and warm


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Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Paul W.Roessler (Proessler) on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 02:24 pm:

And again...
test 2


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Another try...


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Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Paul W.Roessler (Proessler) on Saturday, March 02, 2013 - 02:16 pm:

Thanks Charlie !I'm always in Training Mode!


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test...
Nice try on the test Paul, But you dint pass, close though.
test 1

You forgot to hit that dang Enter key! LOL
Charlie was here.

Finally success!


882 Diesel...PWR

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy John Francis Sirois (Jfsirois) on Monday, January 14, 2013 - 01:20 pm:

Hi All,
I got the 450 on my 782. Tried it out on 6" of snow a couple of weeks ago. Snow removal was like going to get the mail. Three passes on the driveway and back in the shed. Does anyone know a cheaper grease to grease the gearboxes I just spent 44.00 for the two 8 ounce tubes I needed. I will try to get some photos of the install. I fabricated and installed the quick attach rail that was not there. It made getting the bolt alignment very easy. After tightening up some slop with washers the blower lifts up level +/- 1/2" and 5" off the ground. That is alot higher than the Haban h-42 on my other 782. John

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy John Francis Sirois (Jfsirois) on Friday, December 14, 2012 - 01:11 pm:

Jim, I found the weld nuts at mcmaster carr If anyone needs some I will have a bag of 23 left over. Also they have hardened bushings to reduce the 11/16" quick pin mounting hole on the carrage down to 1/2" for the bolt. I still wonder about he pivot bar as they look like the should bolt centered on either side of the impeller housing? John

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Jim Diederichs (Jdiederichs) on Friday, December 14, 2012 - 11:15 am:

Correction to previous post: The pilot weld nuts are no longer available from Cub. The part # was 712-0231. Those are available in many hardware shops in the Hillman drawers.

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Jim Diederichs (Jdiederichs) on Friday, December 14, 2012 - 10:43 am:

Yes Don, those evil tapered studs were used for a brief time....bad idea. They would frequently loosen and often the frame that attaches to the tractor would get bent (one tapered coming loose)

Still have not read anything about the quick attach bar in my old manuals, probably another one-year-wonder idea.

The stepped weld-nuts and 1/2-13x 1.25" capscrews are shown in many parts breakdowns for the 364 and 450 blowers, if you wanted to order the weld nuts from CC.

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy John Francis Sirois (Jfsirois) on Friday, December 14, 2012 - 12:06 am:

Thanks Guys I am on my way. hardware is coming. I saw that they show the install of the quick attach bar in the manual .I wondered if it made setting the 1/2'-13 bolts easier. Are the pivot brackets parallel to each other were they attach to the blower housing? my left side (Chute handle) is in the middle and the right side is up higher, the height where the chute bracket bolts in. It looks wrong but the manual wasn't so clear John

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Donald Tanner (Dtanner) on Thursday, December 13, 2012 - 05:11 pm:

Jim Diederichs
My 450 snow blower had a tapered stud that turned into a nut in the front frame corners. I found the stud would work loose because they don`t have many threads.; so I then put a longer bolt with a lock washer to get it to fit snug. It does take a little longer to install but I know it won`t fall off .


1 step forward 2 steps back always ! Later Don T

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Jim Diederichs (Jdiederichs) on Thursday, December 13, 2012 - 02:39 pm:

John,

I have owned all three of the series, the 450,451 and now the 551 and none used a quick attach rod, believe it or not. All three of mine used the same 1/2"-13 capscrews and weld nuts. I have had them on an 1864 reg. frame and a 2284 and 1782 Super.

I don't know if that helps or confuses the issue, but that is my experience. Art if you are out there what is used on your set up? I like having them bolted tight.

I think I would actually prefer the pto shaft used on the model 364, but that never got used on any later models of CC. That convoluted belt drive has caused me headaches over the years. Always fails at the most inopertune times, where a pto shaft setup looks much more logical. I need to remember that the same basic blower was used on many, many variations of MTD tractors from White and Yard Man to all the private labels.

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy John Francis Sirois (Jfsirois) on Thursday, December 13, 2012 - 09:13 am:

Thanks Jim, I am going to order the nuts and other hardware from mcmaster Carr. Do you know if the Quick pins were 3/4" dia. That is the size of the hole on my blower but it may have been modified. Does your carrier use both quick attach points used for the mower carrier( large bolts to slide in and 1/2" rod to latch it in)? My 1/2" rod was never installed. I look forward to sorting out the attachment and lift fit up. I only hope I can beat the snow Thanks for you help, John

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Jim Diederichs (Jdiederichs) on Thursday, December 13, 2012 - 07:09 am:

John,

The quick pins weren't the best idea. There is alot of strain at that point, that is why the weld nuts were added later on. I have the 1/2-13 capscrews going to the weld nuts and this seems to work well. Use lockwashers so they stay tight or they will gradually loosen (BTDT)

I had a weld nut break off due to a poor factory weld on a 1872 once. It was simple enough to install a standard hex nut inside and wrench things tight so I could finish the season.

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy John Francis Sirois (Jfsirois) on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 - 11:12 am:

Yesterday I bought a model 450 two stage blower for my 782.It was used by the original owner on a 1811
everything seems to match up (pto lift lnk ect)

Has anyone had experience with the two 3/4" quick pins used to hold the carrage to the tractor?
The original owner used 3/4" threaded rod 14" long nutted on both ends. It seemed sloppy and wear on the frame holes had started.It also never had a quick attach 1/2" rod shown in the manual but never installed judging from the paint.

the new parts breakdown shows a 1/2-13 weldnut on the frame and bolts instead of pins. since I have no holes yet I may go that route, but I am not too kean on welding the backside of the frame with the motor in. Any comments would be helpful. I think I will add the quick attach rod as I think it will stiffen things up and help with alignment. the part is nla, but it looks simple enough to fabricate.Do you think that is mild steel or something hardened? Thanks John

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Michael A.Masheris (Mmasheris) on Sunday, December 02, 2012 - 12:07 am:

Another way to keep the lift bar from going over center is to add the helper spring on the left side of the frame to the blower look at the parts list.This keeps it below center and helps to pull it up.

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Hugh Chant (Hchant) on Sunday, November 25, 2012 - 09:02 pm:

Chad, the 450 is the correct blower for your 2072 with the 4 5/8" PTO. The 451 and 551 blowers require the 6" PTO. BTW, I have run a 451 blower on my 1450 with a 4 5/8" PTO, and it did an OK job for me, and would throw around 12'. If it was the light stuff it could get 15'. What you are describing with 6' of throw tells me that something else is going wrong. The engine needs to be running 3500-3600 RPM. Confirm that the belt is snug and not slipping. As Art pointed out, it is easy to get the belt in the wrong spot behind the PTO. I think we all do that at least once.

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy chad boyland (Cboyland) on Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 12:05 pm:

I am trying to put the 6 in pulley on my 2072 for my 450 blower. Does anybody have a part number for the pulley on the horizontal drive on the 2072? It currently has a 4 in pulley which affects the distance my blower throws. Also any advice on this change would be appreciated

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy chad boyland (Cboyland) on Saturday, January 14, 2012 - 08:47 am:

gentlemen, I figured out how to get my lift lever on the blower itself to 7o'clock. it was a matter of just a few adjustments.It was not set up for much float...now it is. I was inclined to figure it out at 8am when I had to use my yard machine walk behind to snowblow a foot of snow. Thanks for the help Everybody. Does anybody happen to have measurements of the Extention brackets for the lift?I have the threaded bracket on the blower end, but nothing on the tractor end

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy chad boyland (Cboyland) on Friday, January 13, 2012 - 04:49 pm:

Its definitly crossed my mind and a good idea paul. Or just getting a new belt so that way I know its the correct size(i bet the one on there is strectched). But as for know I need to figure out how to get my lever on my blower to 7'oclock. its at 9 'oclock and not any play in it. any ideas?..by the way you guys are helpful!

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Chad have you verified that U have the correct drive belt for your tractor & snowblower combo ?


882 Diesel...PWR

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy chad boyland (Cboyland) on Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 07:23 pm:

Aaytay, I checked the tnesion on the belt...that spring did not have tension on it...now it does(becuase I flipped that lever). Did not notice a change in the augar speed though. I will find out the next time it snows. As for the 4 inch lever on the blower that the lift rod connects too....its tight with NO play. I gotta figure out how to fix that slack. I like to avoid welds so I do not have weak spots in the blower. Its almost as if the adjustment in the blower to float up and down is restricting my lift lever. I am kind of discouraged...i made sure i purchased a cub cadet for the quality to avoid the headache's!

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Allen Schumacher (Aschumacher) on Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 02:02 pm:

Art, has anyone ever tried to install a linear actuator in front, like a bulldozer has on the front blade?? I know they are a few bucks, but can move a lot of weight.

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Home of the Plow Special (Aaytay) on Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 11:23 am:

Chad-
Nothing has been changed on my #450 from the way it came from the factory. These 2-stage blowers should EASILY throw out to a 15-20' distance and could put snow up on the roof of my single-story house. (If we'd ever get some snow!!)

Something is not "right" with your blower.

Could the belt be slipping? Do you have the tension pulley flipped to the "over-center" position so that the belt is tight? If so, I would then remove the belt and make sure that the pulley on the back of the blower is connected to the auger and blower fan on the front of the blower. Finally, one easy "oops" is to put the belt too deep on the tractor's PTO so that it is actually BEHIND the PTO pulley. Make sure the belt is in the PTO-pulley groove. BTDT!

As far as the lift for your blower, I can tell you that the bracket on mine will "flop" to that 9-O'clock position if I remove the lift rod like you have in the photo. Grab onto it and try twisting it (with your hand) in a counter-clockwise position. Does it move to about 7-O'Clock before it actually trys to start lifting the blower? If it does, then you're fine. There is supposed to be some "float" in the setup. If not, you may have to do what someone did to mine, which was remove the bracket and reweld it to a more safe 7-O'Clock-ish position.

Either way the lift-set up on these blowers are a poor design. The blowers are FANTASTIC though, so my "someday" plan is to swap out this archaic lift-system for something simple with a Hydraulic ram that runs off of the front outlets on the tractor.


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Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Donald Tanner (Dtanner) on Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 09:25 am:

chad boyland

looking at the picture you posted of the lift arm on the 450 snow blower , I would say that because the tractor sits so high and the blower on the ground your lift arm is causing a problem. You could adjust the lift arm to hold the blower up so it does not drop so far that it gets to that position to cause the problem that you are having. I can see that your lift arm is fighting with the blower because of the lift angle. Paul R mention extension brackets, do you have those.?. I would just readjust the blower so when it is in the down position the weight of the blower resting on the lift arm at an angle that it can be lifted without binding like it must be now.I know you tractor is higher than my 1512 and I see where that is a problem for you in adjustment. Later Don T


1 step forward 2 steps back always ! Later Don T

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy chad boyland (Cboyland) on Saturday, January 07, 2012 - 06:39 pm:

I looked at Art Aytay's posts and photo's. I am curious if he put the 6inch pully on his 2072 to get that much distance out of the snowblower. I am only getting about 6 feet with a 4 inch pully(on the engine) And is it a matter of taking the center bolt out of that pully?

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy chad boyland (Cboyland) on Saturday, January 07, 2012 - 06:13 pm:

This is a photo of the tractor and snowblower when all was working well
cub cadet 2072

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy chad boyland (Cboyland) on Saturday, January 07, 2012 - 06:10 pm:

This is a photo of the blower. As you can see the bracket for where the push rod is at 9 o'clock position. I think it is past center point guys?
bracket pic
The pushrod has been removed because I am making a new one. The blower is in the DOWN position in the photo

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy chad boyland (Cboyland) on Thursday, January 05, 2012 - 05:56 pm:

I will post photo's tonight. The blower is down on the ground and they way it sits the lever connecting to the pushrod is facing back towards the tractor and when I raise the blower its like the lever and pushrod work against eachother.

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Chad-
Check out these two threads for more info:

http://www.ihcubcadet.com/forum/messages/22774/220017.html?1295953409

http://www.ihcubcadet.com/forum/messages/22774/97343.html?1232056549


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Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Kraig McConaughey "Keeper of the Photos" (Kmcconaughey) on Thursday, January 05, 2012 - 02:18 pm:

Paul, I know Art Aytay has a 450 on his 2072 and he has posted a bunch of info on the lift issues and fixes.

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Paul W.Roessler (Proessler) on Thursday, January 05, 2012 - 01:50 pm:

Chad Welcome, post pics to facilitate problem diagnosis...Kraig, doesn't Matt G & Steve B have a similar 18/2072 with 450. Need lift bracket #784-5415-0499 to push the 450 up...& bracket extenions #784-5407 for sub frame to compensate for Super's taller height... Donald T also fabbed a stop,so it would not go over center in the down position.


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Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy Kraig McConaughey "Keeper of the Photos" (Kmcconaughey) on Thursday, January 05, 2012 - 01:02 pm:

Chad, WELCOME!

If you look through the posts in the "CCC and MTD Machines & Equipment" forum area you should find info on how to fix and prevent further damage to the lift mechanism.

Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)View Post/Check IPDelete PostEdit PostBy chad boyland (Cboyland) on Thursday, January 05, 2012 - 12:30 pm:

I just put a 450 Snowblower on my Super Cub 2072. I am having issues with the lifting push rod. I have read the design of the lifting companants on the blower is poor...which I agree.(i bent it once and then snapped it within a week) Somebody mentioned that they purchased extension plates to alleviate the problms? Can anybody help me? I am also planning on changing from the 4in pully to the 6in pully. Can I just change the pully behind the grill of my tractor or do I have to buy the entire cluch/pully?

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